Chat thread: 2020 ATP Finals. Nov 15 - 22.

Singles groups Group Tokyo 1970 Group London 2020  Novak Djokovic [1]  Rafael Nadal [2]  Daniil Medvedev [4]  Dominic Thiem [3]  Alexander Zverev [5]  Stefanos Tsitsipas [6]  Diego Schwartzman [8]  Andrey Rublev [7]

 

		Djokovic	Nadal	Thiem	Medvedev	Zverev	Tsitsipas	Rublev	Schwartzman	Overall	YTD W–L
1	Novak Djokovic		29–27	7–4	4–2	3–2	4–2	0–0	5–0	52–37	39–3
2	Rafael Nadal	27–29		9–5	3–0	5–2	5–1	1–0	10–1	60–38	25–5
3	Dominic Thiem	4–7	5–9		3–1	8–2	4–3	2–2	6–3	32–27	22–7
4	Daniil Medvedev	2–4	0–3	1–3		2–5	5–1	3–0	4–0	17–16	23–10
5	Alexander Zverev	2–3	2–5	2–8	5–2		1–5	4–0	2–2	18–25	27–9
6	Stefanos Tsitsipas	2–4	1–5	3–4	1–5	5–1		2–2	1–1	15–22	28–12
7	Andrey Rublev	0–0	0–1	2–2	0–3	0–4	2–2		0–1	4–13	40–8
8	Diego Schwartzman	0–5	1–10	3–6	0–4	2–2	1–1	1–0		8–28	25–12

 

Singles groups Group Tokyo 1970 Group London 2020  Novak Djokovic [1]  Rafael Nadal [2]  Daniil Medvedev [4]  Dominic Thiem [3]  Alexander Zverev [5]  Stefanos Tsitsipas [6]  Diego Schwartzman [8]  Andrey Rublev [7]

 

		Djokovic	Nadal	Thiem	Medvedev	Zverev	Tsitsipas	Rublev	Schwartzman	Overall	YTD W–L
1	Novak Djokovic		29–27	7–4	4–2	3–2	4–2	0–0	5–0	52–37	39–3
2	Rafael Nadal	27–29		9–5	3–0	5–2	5–1	1–0	10–1	60–38	25–5
3	Dominic Thiem	4–7	5–9		3–1	8–2	4–3	2–2	6–3	32–27	22–7
4	Daniil Medvedev	2–4	0–3	1–3		2–5	5–1	3–0	4–0	17–16	23–10
5	Alexander Zverev	2–3	2–5	2–8	5–2		1–5	4–0	2–2	18–25	27–9
6	Stefanos Tsitsipas	2–4	1–5	3–4	1–5	5–1		2–2	1–1	15–22	28–12
7	Andrey Rublev	0–0	0–1	2–2	0–3	0–4	2–2		0–1	4–13	40–8
8	Diego Schwartzman	0–5	1–10	3–6	0–4	2–2	1–1	1–0		8–28	25–12

Comments

[Gary Lee Moser]

Rafa age 34, Novak age 33.

And the other 6 players in the field?

At age 28, Schwartzman has made it past R4 in only 2 non-clay Grand Slams.
[ OTOH, at 5'7" and 141 lbs, one could argue that we're lucky to have heard of him at all ]

At age 27, Thiem has made it past R4 in only 3 non-clay Grand Slams.

At age 24, Medvedev has made it past R4 in only 2 non-clay Grand Slams.

At age 23, Zverev has made it past R4 in only 2 non-clay Grand Slams.

At age 23, Rublev has made it past R4 in only 2 non-clay Grand Slams.

At age 22, Tsitsipas has made it past R4 in only 1 non Grand Slam.

So...

On paper, at least --- absolutely SCINTILLATING, no>

[Alpha]

OTOH, in 16 (?) years as a pro, Nadal has won just one indoor tournament and that too in 2005. Proven track record of failure.

That leaves just Djokovic where past performance is no guarantee of future returns. He seems to have lost it anyway. Movement is slow and is bailing out early on points with a high risk shot. Novak without patience is like Jordan without the jump shot.

[Gary Lee Moser]

Thought for sure that Dominic was gonna pull a Roger...

[Gary Lee Moser]

And...Rafa pulls a Rafa.

[Alpha]

Sweet revenge for Medvedev. To come back after Rafa served for the match, considering what Rafa did to him at the WTF last year.

[Gary Lee Moser]

For STATS fans, like ME --- although I don't religiously live-and-die by them ---
isn't it weird-as-all-hell that, after SEVEN consecutive years of ATP Finals winners
having 3 or more Slams under their belts,
we now have had 4 consecutive years with.....collectively.....ZERO!.....Slam wins under their belts?
[ Dimitrov, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev ]

Uhhh...Hmmmmmmmmm...